The Mail Sits Down With Grosvenor
Conservative Party leadership contender Robert George GrosvenorThe Daily MailThe Government's budget has been in the news lately. During the budget you were a visible presence supporting the budget, numerous times claiming the budget represented a return to economic policies supported by Margaret Thatcher. The Mail disagreed with your assessment wholly; would you care to comment on your views and why they differed from that of the Mail?
Robert George GrosvenorCertainly. The budget that was proposed, and I am confident shall soon pass division, maintains the goals of tax cuts, incentives for business and the private sector, and reductions in public borrowing. I believe those are all policies in line with the magnificent precursor of Mrs. Thatcher's.
The Daily MailAs our readers know, we have been critical of some of the spending plans introduced in the budget that no one could imagine Mr. Howe or even Mr. Lawson introducing had they still been Chancellor. Do you truly feel that the budget was in the spirit of Mrs. Thatcher, then would you allow these policies to continue if you were elected leader?
Robert George GrosvenorWell, one aspect of financial policy, and one I have already discussed with my colleague, the Chancellor of the Exchequer, is the need to re-institute a Medium Term Financial Strategy. I am a firm believer in the strict targeting of the money supply's growth and the principled setting of goals for reducing public expenditure. Goals we must and shall meet. Goals to which the British public may hold us accountable.
The Daily MailOf the three Chancellor's this country has seen since the Conservatives came to power in 1979, whose style do you feel most closely mirrors your own?
Robert George GrosvenorIn totality? Mr. Lawson. His budget in 1984 showed an adherence to monetarism whilst also allowing for radical measures to empower the private sector, raising tax allowances, and creating an economic environment beneficial to both employers and employees ... all whilst trimming public spending in line with the Medium Term Financial Strategy is just the sort of financial management I would hope to perpetuate.
The Daily MailSteven Andrews has claimed that financial investment is needed in order for the economy to continue to grow. If you advocate for public spending cuts, how will you be able to bring a government together that differs greatly on the economic future of the country?
Robert George GrosvenorMr. Andrews and I have discussed the economic future of the country and the course which the government needs to take to direct that future, at length. He is entirely committed, as I am, to reinvigorating and re-emphasising the foundational economic policies which have reinforced the Conservative Party as the natural party of government. Financial investments can be made, by reducing waste, contracting out services that can be just as easily and more efficiently managed under private oversight, like NHS laundry, food services, and other support mechanisms, and focusing anew on Civil Service reforms. The moneys saved can, under the overall goal of reducing public expenditure, and keeping those reductions in line with a principled, monetarist strategy, be invested elsewhere. Under Mr. Howe and Mr. Lawson, let us not forget, government services saw not only significant increases, but in several sectors the sort of increases which were worlds beyond anything the top-heavy welfare state Labour would impose could afford.
The Daily MailOver the last number of months Parliament has been treated by certain Cabinet Ministers as some drop in centre. Ministers appearing whenever it befits their personal preferences. Under your leadership how would such an attitude be reversed. How will you show the public that Parliament is being treated with the respect it deserves? And overall, what changes would you make to ensure such complacency doesn't creep into government thinking again?
Robert George GrosvenorI have made it clear to the parliamentary party that under my leadership, there will be no patience for dereliction of duty or complacency. I believe we have, in the party today, the greatest braintrust of talent and visionary policy the Conservative Party has ever known. I mean to utilise it fully, and to encourage Ministers to be constantly and regularly developing and presenting new policies, legislation, and initiatives to Parliament and the British public. I do have ideas of my own on some things we need to strike for. I have mentioned them both publicly and in the collegial atmosphere of Smith Square. I mean to be a leader who leads from the front, as I hope I have displayed in the recent budget debate. I do not accept idleness in myself, and I will not suffer it in any government of Her Majesty's over which I might have the honour and privilege of being premier. The Cabinet will become an even more cooperative mechanism, and I will open myself and the statements and policies I espouse to the input of the Cabinet. As well as the party and, where possible, general membership.
The Daily MailIn 1985, this newspaper endorsed Mr. Traynor against Mr. Walker on the basis of a fairly right-wing campaign. Mr. Traynor's subsequent Premiership has largely considered to have fallen on the left. What assurances can you give our readers that this would not be the case under your leadership?
Robert George GrosvenorI believe I have made clear where I stand on the issues of the day. My involvement in the No Turning Back Group, in how it was presented to the public by the very ... full-throated Mr. Brinkley, may have been ill-advised. That being said, I make no apologies for the policies that underpinned that endeavour. I said then that the promises made in 1979 and re-affirmed in 1983 must be the pledge of the Conservative and Unionist Party in 1986 and beyond, and I mean it today as much as I did then.
The Daily MailHow do you think the public will relate to these constant changes in party direction?
Robert George GrosvenorI intend to provide the leadership, stability, and direction of policies to ensure that there is no mistake where we stand. I don't believe we have changed direction. Our message has not changed, but the frequency and confidence with which it has been transmitted may have been impeded by the tumult of these last two years. We are still the party for which Britons voted in 1983. I intend to prove that before the next time the electorate is summoned to the polls.
The Daily MailOn to another topic that greatly concerns our readers. The Mail has criticized the government on their clear complacency in regards to terrorism. Since the murder of Margaret Thatcher the government has done absolutely nothing to crack down on terrorists. There have been no new policy initiatives. How would you deal with the rising activity of terrorists and how will you put an end to the violence?
Robert George GrosvenorWe must remove the ambiguity of how Her Majesty's Government regards terrorism. They must be shown, by our actions and those of our security forces, that no amount of intimidation will bring about the surrendering of Ulster to their wiles. We must also seek a renewed commitment from the Republic of Ireland in combating these enemies of peace... An eventually devolved government is, in my mind, the only way for lasting peace. BUT, it can only come with the consent of the people of Northern Ireland and the cooperation of the Republic of Ireland against terrorism. Those two things are key, and an absolute requirement, before the subject of self-government can even be considered. The terrorists must know, or must come to know, that we shall not give one inch. Murderous intimidation will not soften the resolve of the British people or their government.
The Daily MailMr. Grosvenor, thank you for your time.
The Right DirectionThe Conservative Party has been plagued in recent years by leaders attempting to do what they felt would be popular rather than what was necessary to fix this country. Margaret Thatcher said that this country was at a turning point, and that reforms were necessary, however unpleasant the short term effects, in order to secure a better future.
Mr. Grosvenor does not commit, in our mind, to a full return to the principles Margaret Thatcher espoused in 1979 when she told this country of a need for change, but surely he brings us a vision closer to hers than either Oscar Traynor or Ben Walker.
Mr. Grosvenor is soft on terrorism. There is no getting around it. He prefers negotiation a devolution to any crackdown on the terrorists that threaten the safety and security of the British people. No one is perfect.
He has promised no patience for the layabouts in Cabinet who never bothered to show up to Parliament. Perhaps his Government will be spared the ignominy of the Speaker suspending members for their failure to attend.
A number of high profile Conservatives have come out in support of Mr. Grosvenor and some of the other candidates, including three former Chancellors and a number of members of the Thatcher Cabinet. Not all have been in support of Mr. Grosvenor. This election features a slate of candidates who have all espoused a number of views that the Mirror agrees with, but none has so far espoused the full values this paper has promoted as necessary for the Government to pursue. We encourage all candidates, and especially Mr. Grosvenor, to continue to look to the example of Margaret Thatcher’s first term for inspiration as they move forward to secure the votes of their colleagues and ultimately to accept the position of Prime Minister.